Imagine this:
You're playing on your under-equipped main character, pretty much the only toon you play.
You're doing a raid with other people in hopes to find some rare and/or pain-in-the-arse-to-get NODROP item you need.
The boss dies and loot order is given.
The person that gets to loot before you, then logs on his fifth alt who did not participate in the raid and takes the item you needed.

Do you find this to be morally wrong? (this is what you're voting on)
(optional reply post) Why?

(do not vote based on the part below)
after the raid, you meet the alt in town that has your needed item.
upon inspection, you find the item is on his social tab and not being used at all.
is this morally wrong now?



To be honest, I think looting on alts is very wrong;
it's like borderline ninja-looting.

I would say this is wrong too. Most people I've teamed with usually wait until after everyone has looted before logging an alt to get any leftovers.

Depends on the situation a bit more.

I usually always bring my soldier to raids simply because he is the most useful toon even though I am not actively working on his equip.

Another problem is sometimes you can't get into raids on your lower alts because people don't want them (got onto a raid after saying I didn't need beast loot on my 211 fixer, raid wiped and I soloed north zod to 3/4 HP before the raid got back)

Also I find peoples perception of it being in social meaning that they arnt using it. But with the speed people can level and reperk these days, they could very well be able to use it before you your self would be able to, and also some toon's were not powerleveled and the owner may feel like the toon deserves it (I sure as hell want social beast pads for my 168 fixer, played it longer then most 220's) although for something that IS going to be used in social Need > Greed.

However if people already have like 3 toon's with boc's and there is a lot more that they could do with their other toons, then it is greedy to want a boc on every toon while someone else is still waiting for there first.

Basically it comes down to do you want the raid to run with the best toon's people have, or run with the toon's that they need the loot on.

well i voted right;

the reason i did so, is this: most raids these days can be done with few people, a team at most, and i usually play on toons that are vital to the raid, like a doc a crat or a soldier, but im going on one of those toons not because i need items on them, but because i want the raid to be finished successfully (its not that i have trust issues, but sometimes there just arent enough ppl to make a raid with). bottom line is, even if i'd raid on my advy that isnt there as a vital member of the raid, i at least help them kill faster, and therefore, i offer my help to the raid, as best as i can, and for that i consider that i deserve the loot as much as everyone else.

that beeing said, i belive that an item once rolled for, and won, its urs and you can do whatever you want, including looting on alts. but not everyone thinks like this... and the best way to settle it would be to get a few friends, setup daily raids, or at any interval you want, and eventually everyone gets what they need. with that system the raids are actually fun, and you know that eventually you will get a boc for a tl5 as social too, but gotta wait till others get their tl7's equipped. (not limited to pande, that was just an example)

if ao had 10 times more players then it has now, the issue would have been different. people would actually find teams, but considering current situation, the best way to get ur items is in raids with few people that know what they are doing, and for that to happen everyone will log their vital toon to the raid, kill the boss, and loot on alts.

more than a bit late, but yes. it's absolutely right. like a few of the people who posted before me said, they bring the toons that most help the raid. I bring my doc all the time to pande because there aren't many other docs in the org that can do it. so, should I be punished by not getting anything for my alts because I chose to help the org? had I not brought my doc, there wouldn't have been a raid at all.

looting an item on an alt to go into the social tab is another demon alltogether. that's called being a prick. if you don't need it, don't join the raffle for it. this is in no way related to looting with an alt whatsoever. the same thing could be done with the person's main. say a 220 crat wants the leo pad for social, but a soldier would actually want to use it. soldier should get it, hands down. need above greed. you don't have to log an alt to be a prick.

I agree with maxis and khrystanna and flashpointblack for the reasons they list

heres a couple of different things to think about.

1) say you wanna play your MA and are wanting to play him in whatever instance, dungeon or whatever, but you team wants a doc and they want you to load your doc, should you not load your doc just cuz you wanna loot on your MA.

2) You play your 220 soldier and farm everything for your "baby" toons, and you have a good roll and your first and you get the gear everyones wanting on a 160 med suit toon.

So yeah i think its wrong and sometimes ok. I just think that the leader of the raid should decide yes or no and tell everyone you play on the toon you want to loot on no alts.

Thats just my opinion

Depends on the situation and who you're teaming with.

With an org, or if agreed ahead of time, it should always be need before greed.

With a raidbot and general public, it should go to whoever wins the roll. If they can loot it, then they get it. Where it goes after that is really of no one's concern.

While frustrating, it is fair.